It is not trivial finding wash to rim routes. The small bands of horses and mules/burros roaming around were surprising. At one point, stumbled onto more than the usual amount of sherds. Feel that something such as a ceremonial breaking of pots occurred here. Of course, the other viewpoint is the whole area used to look like this and it's all been taken. This view was stunning, with several ruins within sight. I knew that the dozen or so miles of hiking were all that my knee would take so Jim and I headed back. Mark, Rich, and Bonner continued ruin browsing, some of which had more then casual exposure.